Photo of Eddie Windham, Clinical Social Work/Therapist in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Eddie Windham
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Jennings, LA 70546
I have experience dealing with a broad range of issues. I offer discreet and effective treatment of Sexual Addiction, working both with the addict and their spouse or partner. I treat internet, gaming and other addictions using the many of the same techniques I use with sexual addiction. Treatment is done in both individual and couples sessions. I offer several ways of treating addicts with initial intensive out-patient treatment including weekly or bi-weekly appointments, daily appointments for three weeks, or a three day intensive treatment. relationship issues.
I have experience dealing with a broad range of issues. I offer discreet and effective treatment of Sexual Addiction, working both with the addict and their spouse or partner. I treat internet, gaming and other addictions using the many of the same techniques I use with sexual addiction. Treatment is done in both individual and couples sessions. I offer several ways of treating addicts with initial intensive out-patient treatment including weekly or bi-weekly appointments, daily appointments for three weeks, or a three day intensive treatment. relationship issues.
(337) 565-1257 View (337) 565-1257
Photo of Lisa Brune, Clinical Social Work/Therapist in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Lisa Brune
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSSW, LCSW, BACS
Verified Verified
Jennings, LA 70546  (Online Only)
I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over 20 years of experience, Licensed in both Louisiana and Texas. A graduate of the University of Texas at Arlington with a Master's of Science in Social Work, I work with adolescents, adults, seniors, seeing individuals, couples, and families. I have particular interest in all areas of mental health, including grief, loss, trauma, eating disorders, domestic violence, sexual abuse, sexual assault, and parenting issues. I am a Certified Mediator and have a Certification in Critical Incident Stress Management (CISM). In my free time, I enjoy working with my three pet therapy dogs.
I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over 20 years of experience, Licensed in both Louisiana and Texas. A graduate of the University of Texas at Arlington with a Master's of Science in Social Work, I work with adolescents, adults, seniors, seeing individuals, couples, and families. I have particular interest in all areas of mental health, including grief, loss, trauma, eating disorders, domestic violence, sexual abuse, sexual assault, and parenting issues. I am a Certified Mediator and have a Certification in Critical Incident Stress Management (CISM). In my free time, I enjoy working with my three pet therapy dogs.
(337) 447-4700 View (337) 447-4700
Photo of Marlaena Miller, Licensed Professional Counselor in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Marlaena Miller
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC
Verified Verified
Jennings, LA 70546
Do you ever think you are the only one who hasn't gotten their life together yet? The truth is we ALL experience difficult and stressful life stuff at times. Life can be really tough. We all carry pain that is often exacerbated by new relationships and situations: psychological, emotional, and spiritual pain. If you have tried to "figure it out" on your own for too long, like so many of us think we must, and would like a relatable professional to work with you toward healing and growth, I would appreciate the opportunity and privilege to work with you on your journey toward a healthier, happier you. It's ok to need some help.
Do you ever think you are the only one who hasn't gotten their life together yet? The truth is we ALL experience difficult and stressful life stuff at times. Life can be really tough. We all carry pain that is often exacerbated by new relationships and situations: psychological, emotional, and spiritual pain. If you have tried to "figure it out" on your own for too long, like so many of us think we must, and would like a relatable professional to work with you toward healing and growth, I would appreciate the opportunity and privilege to work with you on your journey toward a healthier, happier you. It's ok to need some help.
(337) 246-5596 View (337) 246-5596
Photo of Cole Campo, Pre-Licensed Professional in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Cole Campo
Pre-Licensed Professional, MA, PLPC
Verified Verified
Jennings, LA 70546
In a society heavily influenced by opinions, it can be hard to distinguish reality in our daily lives. Navigating through difficult situations becomes a greater challenge while also trying to discover your purpose and self-worth. I believe that therapy requires a holistic approach which aims to improve the mental, physical, social and spiritual health of every person I encounter.
In a society heavily influenced by opinions, it can be hard to distinguish reality in our daily lives. Navigating through difficult situations becomes a greater challenge while also trying to discover your purpose and self-worth. I believe that therapy requires a holistic approach which aims to improve the mental, physical, social and spiritual health of every person I encounter.
(337) 473-2194 View (337) 473-2194
Photo of Mikal Marceaux Acadian Counseling Center, Marriage & Family Therapist in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Mikal Marceaux Acadian Counseling Center
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT
Verified Verified
Jennings, LA 70546
I believe that connections and relationships play incredibly important roles in our lives and that everyone deserves a safe space to discuss and process the unique challenges their relationships may be facing. I work from a sex positive, kink affirming, and queer friendly perspective to help people navigate and explore their relationships regardless of how traditional or non-traditional they may be.
I believe that connections and relationships play incredibly important roles in our lives and that everyone deserves a safe space to discuss and process the unique challenges their relationships may be facing. I work from a sex positive, kink affirming, and queer friendly perspective to help people navigate and explore their relationships regardless of how traditional or non-traditional they may be.
(337) 329-8333 View (337) 329-8333

Online Therapists

Photo of Daniel Jurek, Marriage & Family Therapist in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Daniel Jurek
Marriage & Family Therapist, MMin, MA
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Lafayette, LA 70503
Join me for a daring 2-day Marriage Intensive, where couples can chart a new course towards intimacy and connection.
Embark on an exhilarating expedition towards transformation with me as your fearless guide. Together, we'll navigate the rugged terrain of your emotions and relationships, uncovering hidden pathways towards positive change. Drawing from a treasure trove of modalities like mindfulness, meditation, and emotionally focused therapy, I'll equip you with the tools to conquer life's challenges. Whether you're battling the aftermath of betrayal or navigating the stormy seas of marital discord, I offer a lifeline of hope and renewal.
Join me for a daring 2-day Marriage Intensive, where couples can chart a new course towards intimacy and connection.
Embark on an exhilarating expedition towards transformation with me as your fearless guide. Together, we'll navigate the rugged terrain of your emotions and relationships, uncovering hidden pathways towards positive change. Drawing from a treasure trove of modalities like mindfulness, meditation, and emotionally focused therapy, I'll equip you with the tools to conquer life's challenges. Whether you're battling the aftermath of betrayal or navigating the stormy seas of marital discord, I offer a lifeline of hope and renewal.
(337) 205-7553 x2 View (337) 205-7553 x2
Photo of Dr. Reid Doster Lpc Lmft, Licensed Professional Counselor in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Dr. Reid Doster Lpc Lmft
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC, LMFT
Verified Verified
Baton Rouge, LA 70810  (Online Only)
It takes courage to ask for help, especially from someone you don't know. As a Licensed Professional Counselor, Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist and clinical pastoral counselor, I work with individuals, couples and families to resolve common human problems. I believe you will benefit from the clinical competence, experience and maturity gained from more than forty years in practice, and will quickly realize I sincerely care about you. When you reach out to me, I will do my best to respond promptly, without your waiting too long for an appointment. Don't be surprised if I personally answer the phone.
It takes courage to ask for help, especially from someone you don't know. As a Licensed Professional Counselor, Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist and clinical pastoral counselor, I work with individuals, couples and families to resolve common human problems. I believe you will benefit from the clinical competence, experience and maturity gained from more than forty years in practice, and will quickly realize I sincerely care about you. When you reach out to me, I will do my best to respond promptly, without your waiting too long for an appointment. Don't be surprised if I personally answer the phone.
(985) 805-5285 View (985) 805-5285
Photo of Marc D'Aunoy, The Kitchen Table Counseling, Licensed Professional Counselor in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Marc D'Aunoy, The Kitchen Table Counseling
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC, LMFT
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Lafayette, LA 70501
My wife and I overcame insecurity and infidelity in our early years of marriage and know what its like.
I specialize in helping couples overcome infidelity. Rebuilding trust and intimacy is possible with the right tools. I would love the opportunity to help you save your relationship from failure. Only 1 in 4 couples will survive if they wait and do nothing. I have helped couples get through just about every problem you can imagine. From infidelity to selfishness, and everthing you can imagine.
My wife and I overcame insecurity and infidelity in our early years of marriage and know what its like.
I specialize in helping couples overcome infidelity. Rebuilding trust and intimacy is possible with the right tools. I would love the opportunity to help you save your relationship from failure. Only 1 in 4 couples will survive if they wait and do nothing. I have helped couples get through just about every problem you can imagine. From infidelity to selfishness, and everthing you can imagine.
(337) 426-0949 View (337) 426-0949
Photo of Sherika Simon Acadian Counseling Center, Licensed Professional Counselor in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Sherika Simon Acadian Counseling Center
Licensed Professional Counselor, MEd, MS, PhD
Verified Verified
Lafayette, LA 70508
I specialize in Marriage and family counseling, Rehabilitation counseling, Counseling Interventions, Aging Concerns, Cognitive counseling, Psychotherapy, Depression, & Mental Health Counseling.
I see counseling as a process in which you the client, and the Counselor, come to understand and trust each other, work as a team, and develop goals to improve life, in which you the client will be successful in achieving the best results possible.
I specialize in Marriage and family counseling, Rehabilitation counseling, Counseling Interventions, Aging Concerns, Cognitive counseling, Psychotherapy, Depression, & Mental Health Counseling.
I see counseling as a process in which you the client, and the Counselor, come to understand and trust each other, work as a team, and develop goals to improve life, in which you the client will be successful in achieving the best results possible.
(337) 317-4307 View (337) 317-4307
Photo of Dr. Shannon Matthews, Clinical Social Work/Therapist in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Dr. Shannon Matthews
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, PsyD, LCSW
Verified Verified
Baton Rouge, LA 70810  (Online Only)
Feeling nervous or sad? Having a difficult time adjusting, sleeping or concentrating? Relationship issues? Stressed at home or work? Sports performance or other performance related anxiety? Does your marriage need some support? Looking for a therapist that will provide you with high quality mental health services? If you answered yes to any of these questions, you have found your perfect therapist!
Feeling nervous or sad? Having a difficult time adjusting, sleeping or concentrating? Relationship issues? Stressed at home or work? Sports performance or other performance related anxiety? Does your marriage need some support? Looking for a therapist that will provide you with high quality mental health services? If you answered yes to any of these questions, you have found your perfect therapist!
(225) 777-9268 View (225) 777-9268
Photo of Christina Thibodeaux, Licensed Professional Counselor in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Christina Thibodeaux
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC, LMFT
Verified Verified
Lafayette, LA 70503
Marital, family, and individual struggles impact our day-to-day lives and important moments. Counseling during difficult times can greatly increase our ability to improve the situation and gives us confidence to do so without requiring years of therapy. I work with adolescents, adults, couples, and families facing many difficult issues such as Trauma, Depression, Anxiety, difficulty adjusting to Life Circumstances, Infidelity, Panic, Poor Communication, Relationship Problems, Self-Harm/Thoughts of Self-Harm, Feelings of Discontent, Unhealthy Patterns of Behavior, and General Unhappiness.
Marital, family, and individual struggles impact our day-to-day lives and important moments. Counseling during difficult times can greatly increase our ability to improve the situation and gives us confidence to do so without requiring years of therapy. I work with adolescents, adults, couples, and families facing many difficult issues such as Trauma, Depression, Anxiety, difficulty adjusting to Life Circumstances, Infidelity, Panic, Poor Communication, Relationship Problems, Self-Harm/Thoughts of Self-Harm, Feelings of Discontent, Unhealthy Patterns of Behavior, and General Unhappiness.
(337) 427-8767 View (337) 427-8767
Photo of Melissa “Missy” Daniel, Licensed Professional Counselor in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Melissa “Missy” Daniel
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Alexandria, LA 71303
In life things don’t always turn out the way we’d hoped. We didn’t get that degree we said we were going to get, marriage or relationships didn’t last, our loved ones passed away, and we just might feel stuck. How do we make sense of life again? How do we achieve our goals when they seem so out of reach? How do we create a happy life for ourselves.
In life things don’t always turn out the way we’d hoped. We didn’t get that degree we said we were going to get, marriage or relationships didn’t last, our loved ones passed away, and we just might feel stuck. How do we make sense of life again? How do we achieve our goals when they seem so out of reach? How do we create a happy life for ourselves.
(318) 526-9804 View (318) 526-9804
Photo of Rebecca Oyer, Clinical Social Work/Therapist in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Rebecca Oyer
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW, SEP, ISPP
Verified Verified
Lafayette, LA 70506
I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, a Marriage and Family Therapist and a Somatic Experiencing Practitioner.
I have been practicing as a psychotherapist for 30 years and I very much enjoy my work. My goal is to help people with healing, and in so doing help them to live a more joyful and meaningful life. I have years of experience helping clients address and recover from many different issues. I work with emotional wounds that are often at the core of issues that clients bring to me, and with healing trauma including religious trauma. I have found that when these wounds can be addressed in a safe environment, healing can take place. I work with adults of all life stages, with adolescents, children, with individuals, families and groups.
I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, a Marriage and Family Therapist and a Somatic Experiencing Practitioner.
I have been practicing as a psychotherapist for 30 years and I very much enjoy my work. My goal is to help people with healing, and in so doing help them to live a more joyful and meaningful life. I have years of experience helping clients address and recover from many different issues. I work with emotional wounds that are often at the core of issues that clients bring to me, and with healing trauma including religious trauma. I have found that when these wounds can be addressed in a safe environment, healing can take place. I work with adults of all life stages, with adolescents, children, with individuals, families and groups.
(337) 243-6887 View (337) 243-6887
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Harmony House Counseling & Life Coaching, LLC
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Eunice, LA 70535
Providing adolescent, individual, marriage, and group therapy, we use CBT, EMDR, DBT, IFS, Spiritual Mindfulness, & EFT to help bring healing to the root cause of emotional pain, moving beyond just symptom management.
Are you looking for effective professional mental health counseling you can trust and know will guide you through where you are to where you are hoping to find yourself? Be assured, we can help! Our therapists help make sense of where you are and how you arrived there. We'll journey together toward finding hope and healing so that you can live a healthy, content, and meaningful life. Whether you are struggling with depression, anxiety, grief, anger, PTSD, spiritual matters, sexual abuse, physical abuse, marriage conflicts, addiction, or repeating the same behavioral patterns of self-destruction, there is HOPE for living healed.
Providing adolescent, individual, marriage, and group therapy, we use CBT, EMDR, DBT, IFS, Spiritual Mindfulness, & EFT to help bring healing to the root cause of emotional pain, moving beyond just symptom management.
Are you looking for effective professional mental health counseling you can trust and know will guide you through where you are to where you are hoping to find yourself? Be assured, we can help! Our therapists help make sense of where you are and how you arrived there. We'll journey together toward finding hope and healing so that you can live a healthy, content, and meaningful life. Whether you are struggling with depression, anxiety, grief, anger, PTSD, spiritual matters, sexual abuse, physical abuse, marriage conflicts, addiction, or repeating the same behavioral patterns of self-destruction, there is HOPE for living healed.
(337) 347-8641 View (337) 347-8641
Photo of Michael Gaines Counseling Service , Clinical Social Work/Therapist in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Michael Gaines Counseling Service
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, PsyD, QMHP, LCSW, BCD, BACS
Verified Verified
Baker, LA 70714
Best practices standards are followed including Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Trauma Focused Treatment, Positive Parenting Programming, and Christian Based Model Marriage Counseling.
For over 40 + years I have been an advocate for children and families in need of mental health services. It has been gratifying to provide a milieu of services that has effectively met the needs of my clients. The knowledge I have acquired has been recognized by the Office of Juvenile Justice, Department of Children and Family Services, and Family Roads as a sound clinical practice. I have successfully implemented Parenting and Fathering Models which have had a micro and macro impact on service delivery in Louisiana.
Best practices standards are followed including Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Trauma Focused Treatment, Positive Parenting Programming, and Christian Based Model Marriage Counseling.
For over 40 + years I have been an advocate for children and families in need of mental health services. It has been gratifying to provide a milieu of services that has effectively met the needs of my clients. The knowledge I have acquired has been recognized by the Office of Juvenile Justice, Department of Children and Family Services, and Family Roads as a sound clinical practice. I have successfully implemented Parenting and Fathering Models which have had a micro and macro impact on service delivery in Louisiana.
(225) 283-0066 View (225) 283-0066
Photo of Sarah Oldendorf, Licensed Professional Counselor in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Sarah Oldendorf
Licensed Professional Counselor, MEd, LPC
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Baton Rouge, LA 70808
My areas of focus include: anxiety, depression, motherhood, peripartum mental health, PPD, PPA, interpersonal relationships, marriage and family relations.
I specialize in working with individuals, couples, and families in transitional seasons of life involving anxiety, depression, relationship issues, parenting challenges, perinatal mental health, and trauma. At the root of humanity is the need for connection. My goal is for you to feel empowered, supported, and heard in the safety of the therapeutic space. I look forward to supporting you in discovering your strengths, processing stressors, grieving losses, learning coping skills, and growing personally. You are in control of your healing journey, I am simply holding space to facilitate it.
My areas of focus include: anxiety, depression, motherhood, peripartum mental health, PPD, PPA, interpersonal relationships, marriage and family relations.
I specialize in working with individuals, couples, and families in transitional seasons of life involving anxiety, depression, relationship issues, parenting challenges, perinatal mental health, and trauma. At the root of humanity is the need for connection. My goal is for you to feel empowered, supported, and heard in the safety of the therapeutic space. I look forward to supporting you in discovering your strengths, processing stressors, grieving losses, learning coping skills, and growing personally. You are in control of your healing journey, I am simply holding space to facilitate it.
(225) 562-8991 View (225) 562-8991
Photo of Andrew C. Duplechin, Pre-Licensed Professional in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Andrew C. Duplechin
Pre-Licensed Professional, MA, PLPC, NCC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Lake Charles, LA 70601
I combine person-centered, reality therapy, and emotion-focused theories in my individual practice. In marriage/couples therapy, I employ the Gottman Method of Couples Therapy. I highly value the therapeutic relationship, emphasizing rapport-building and supporting clients in developing their potential. I believe in the resilience of the human spirit and promote my clients' power of choice when facing challenges. I aim to enhance introspection, reflection, and self-awareness, empowering clients to navigate their past, present, and future with hope and empowerment despite life's trials.
I combine person-centered, reality therapy, and emotion-focused theories in my individual practice. In marriage/couples therapy, I employ the Gottman Method of Couples Therapy. I highly value the therapeutic relationship, emphasizing rapport-building and supporting clients in developing their potential. I believe in the resilience of the human spirit and promote my clients' power of choice when facing challenges. I aim to enhance introspection, reflection, and self-awareness, empowering clients to navigate their past, present, and future with hope and empowerment despite life's trials.
(337) 242-3860 View (337) 242-3860
Photo of Connie H LeBlanc, Marriage & Family Therapist in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Connie H LeBlanc
Marriage & Family Therapist, MS, LPC, LFMT
Verified Verified
Lafayette, LA 70506
Families and children are my primary concern. I assist families to be the best possible families they can be. I enjoy working with clients of all ages concerning issues across life. I use family systems approach to family/marital /relationship therapy. I work with individuals, couples, families, blended families and divorced families. I use various treatment modalities including: cognitive behavioral therapy, conflict resolution, and family/life coaching., The best interest of the child is always the primary goal.
Families and children are my primary concern. I assist families to be the best possible families they can be. I enjoy working with clients of all ages concerning issues across life. I use family systems approach to family/marital /relationship therapy. I work with individuals, couples, families, blended families and divorced families. I use various treatment modalities including: cognitive behavioral therapy, conflict resolution, and family/life coaching., The best interest of the child is always the primary goal.
(337) 366-1958 View (337) 366-1958
Photo of Bayou Mental Health Services, LLC, Clinical Social Work/Therapist in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Bayou Mental Health Services, LLC
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, CGCS, MBA
Verified Verified
Alexandria, LA 71301
We are trained and experienced in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (Trauma), Dialectical Behavior Therapy, Mindfulness and Narrative therapy, and Trauma Informed Therapy, Marriage and Family Therapy.
We commend you for making the right choice for you, to create the life that you desire by working through whatever concerns or challenges that you may be experiencing. We know that sharing intimate details about your life may be challenging, but it will be our pleasure to help you navigate your way through this process. We have over 30 years of combined experience. We have worked with clients with a wide range of concerns including depression, anxiety, couples counseling, life skills development, parenting issues, career planning and coaching, ADHD, substance abuse, Military issues/concerns, sexual assault & PTSD.
We are trained and experienced in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (Trauma), Dialectical Behavior Therapy, Mindfulness and Narrative therapy, and Trauma Informed Therapy, Marriage and Family Therapy.
We commend you for making the right choice for you, to create the life that you desire by working through whatever concerns or challenges that you may be experiencing. We know that sharing intimate details about your life may be challenging, but it will be our pleasure to help you navigate your way through this process. We have over 30 years of combined experience. We have worked with clients with a wide range of concerns including depression, anxiety, couples counseling, life skills development, parenting issues, career planning and coaching, ADHD, substance abuse, Military issues/concerns, sexual assault & PTSD.
(318) 239-7635 View (318) 239-7635
Photo of Arthur Williams III, Licensed Professional Counselor in Jefferson Davis Parish, LA
Arthur Williams III
Licensed Professional Counselor, BSW, MSW, LPC
Verified Verified
Baton Rouge, LA 70810  (Online Only)
In addition to being a current Licensed Professional Counselor, I am a former Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, former Licensed Master Social Worker/Advanced Practitioner, and former Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor.
The easiest way to reach me is through email. At Excalibur Counseling, I will work with you to get you to the place where you function best.
In addition to being a current Licensed Professional Counselor, I am a former Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, former Licensed Master Social Worker/Advanced Practitioner, and former Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor.
The easiest way to reach me is through email. At Excalibur Counseling, I will work with you to get you to the place where you function best.
(225) 425-3965 View (225) 425-3965

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Marriage Counseling Therapists

How does marriage counseling work?

Marriage counseling works by teaching couples concrete skills to communicate with one another and solve disagreements in healthy ways. A trained mental health professional works with both members of a couple to explore difficulties the couple may be having and helps them develop skills to address these matters. Couples who don’t have any difficulties but want to prepare for marriage may develop skills for the future.

How long does marriage counseling typically last?

Marriage counseling is a short-term form of therapy; the process may last between four and eight sessions. Other forms of relationship guidance from mental health professionals, such as couples therapy, are longer lasting, may focus on the past rather than just the present, and are tailored to the individual couple and their emotions, history, and patterns in the relationship. Couples therapy often lasts for 12 weeks or longer.

Is marriage counseling effective?

Marriage counseling helps many couples develop relationship skills that may not have been acquired or tested in a relationship; partners may be better able to communicate and address conflict following counseling. However, there are many different forms of marriage counseling, and this form of counseling does not have as strong an evidence base as other modalities such as couples therapy.

Is marriage counseling effective if only one partner wants to go?

Yes, marriage counseling can still be effective if one partner convinces the other to engage in the process. Of course, whether counseling is effective depends on the couple’s commitment to work on their relationship; however, the short-term, skills-based nature of marriage counseling makes it a relatively easy “ask” of a partner, and the hesitant individual may see its value once counseling begins.